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Former featured articleBangalore is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Good articleBangalore has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Main Page trophyThis article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on May 2, 2006.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 20, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
March 24, 2006Featured article candidatePromoted
July 23, 2012Featured article reviewDemoted
July 13, 2022Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 29, 2022.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the name of the Indian city Bangalore could be derived from a Kannada word meaning 'town of boiled beans'?
Current status: Former featured article, current good article

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Kpddg (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: I added some citation needed tags in places that were missing a citation, which need to be resolved. Earwig did detect some copyright concerns, but I think the other sites copied from Wikipedia. Z1720 (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720, this was discussed in the GA review as well. Each statement (like XYZ is a franchise based on the city) has its own article , so it was considered WP:BLUE. Kpddg (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at the statements, and I would not consider them WP:BLUE. Furthermore, BLUE is an essay, which means it is "the opinion or advice of an editor or group of editors for which widespread consensus has not been established." (WP:POLICIES). Since DYK articles appear on the Main Page, there are stricter rules about what needs to be in the articles, and thus these statements will need citations to conform to WP:V. Z1720 (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the citations Kpddg (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding the citations. This is approved, with a preference for ALT0. Z1720 (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Kpddg (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ —Canton, Naomi (6 December 2012). "How the 'Silicon Valley of India' is bridging the digital divide". CNN. Archived from the original on 18 December 2012. Retrieved 6 December 2012.
    —Rai, Saritha (20 March 2006). "Is the Next Silicon Valley Taking Root in Bangalore?". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 13 October 2011. Retrieved 20 March 2006.
    —Vaidyanathan, Rajini (5 November 2012). "Can the 'American Dream' be reversed in India?". BBC World News. Archived from the original on 5 November 2012. Retrieved 5 November 2012.
  2. ^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=VvpIAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

References

Why are we using an outdated colonial spelling of the name?

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Should we rename the articles for Bombay and Calcutta as well? 192.34.130.239 (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The official name is Bengaluru. The article should be moved. Mantharatalk 18:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2024 (2)

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Highest temperature ever recorded in Bengaluru is 41.8°c at Kengeri on April 30, 2024

Record high temperature in May is 41.1°c.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:25D9:474C:D532:AA0C:C015:A00E (talk) 05:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No source for Mega City

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The population crossed 10 million in bangalore and hyderabad but there is no official census after 2011. Statista un reliable source for Bangalore and Hyderabad. There is no official data after 2011 census in Indian citites, so only 3 cities qualify as Mega cities Delhi, Mumbai & Kolkata as on today.Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks 2409:40E4:4D:CC6C:4C39:CE29:E23C:369C (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting move from Bangalore to Bengaluru

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Bangalore → Bengaluru – Hello, I would like to highlight a previously closed proposal to move the article from Bangalore to Bengaluru. The last discussion was closed due to lack of evidence. The official name of the city is Bengaluru and is also the common use.

Below are the evidences. As per WP:NAMECHANGES

As per WP:COMMONNAME

Please let me know if any more evidence needs to be provided. Mantharatalk 19:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 16:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as many users pointed out the page move should be supported as per WP:TIES and WP:TITLEVAR. Mantharatalk 19:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment let's not speedy close this – there's already enough discussion to warrant keeping this discussion going. A moratorium can be discussed afterwards if this doesn't pass.
Anyway, some pure google hit totals over the past year like I provided in the June 2023 discussion:
"Bengaluru" (normal google search since July 1, 2023) – 84,500,000
"Bangalore" (normal google search since July 1, 2023) – 99,500,000
"Bengaluru" (normal google search since November 1, 2014) – 190,000,000
"Bangalore" (normal google search since November 1, 2014) – 327,000,000
"Bengaluru" (google books search since December 31, 2022) – 16,600
"Bangalore" (google books search since December 31, 2022) – 3,070
"Bengaluru" (google books search since November 1, 2014) – 93,600
"Bangalore" (google books search since November 1, 2014) – 294,000
"Bengaluru" (google scholar search of 2023–2024) – 18,000
"Bangalore" (google scholar search of 2023–2024) – 21,000 (this seems to hit on a few fairly prolific author names)
"Bengaluru" (google scholar search of 2015–2024) – 68,600
"Bangalore" (google scholar search of 2015–2024) – 228,000 (same problem as the 2023–2024 search)
These numbers aren't the most reliable, and I don't find them too useful, but compared to last RM there does seem to be a shift towards use of Bengaluru; notably, the gap in results in the same ~year is a lot smaller now, and looking at google books searches since the start of 2023 (it wouldn't let me shrink the range any further) Bengaluru seems to be significantly ahead. Do with them what you will. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date Range Bangalore Bengaluru Difference
4 Nov 2014 - 4 Nov 2024 21,30,00,000 9,88,00,000 11,42,00,000
4 Nov 2020 - 4 Nov 2024 15,40,00,000 7,56,00,000 7,84,00,000
4 Nov 2022 - 4 Nov 2024 7,51,00,000 5,57,00,000 1,94,00,000
4 Nov 2023 - 4 Nov 2024 5,24,00,000 3,95,00,000 1,29,00,000
4 May 2024 - 4 Nov 2024 3,50,00,000 2,87,00,000 63,00,000

Mantharatalk 17:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I want to also point out the WP:CRITERIA, since it's a relevant part of move discussions and it hasn't really been discussed.
  1. Recognizability – sort of what the discussion hinges on, whether people will recognize the name Bengaluru.
  2. Naturalness – pretty equal, I think?
  3. Precision – equal
  4. Concision – equal
  5. Consistency – other articles will follow this one
Doesn't seem like there's much of a gap, and it really comes down to recognizability/the common name/usage in reliable sources (at least for me). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it ticks the Recognizability box as well. Almost all reliable sources have already been using Bengaluru in their articles, which I presume wouldn't be the case if the name was not recognizable. Mantharatalk 20:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The suggested target is still not the clear common usage among English-language speakers. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:COMMONNAME. Bengaluru is more related to Indian English. Every name of the organization that has the name of the city, included "Bengaluru" instead of "Bangalore".---Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the Google Trends question, I'm going to note this graph. It seems that Google somehow differentiates searches for the city and "Bengaluru" as a search term, though I have no idea how, and the gap is extreme (which you do not see with cities like Mumbai and Kolkata). It's still very tight between Bengaluru's city searches and Bangalore, and the graph actually seems to track better with Mumbai and Kolkata's, which makes me personally inclined to believe the common search is for Bangalore (I guess it's not that surprising, because it's not like the results for Bengaluru and Bangalore as search terms would change when we introduce a third search term). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The one thing I'd like to see more info on is usage in news articles. All we really have right now is some individual news articles, and a little more for one source (Hindustan Times), which is just not enough info to make any determinations. I don't think I can come to a clear position on this move request without more complete info there. An analysis along these lines was done during the 2022 move discussion, but I'm not entirely sure how to replicate it, and I just don't feel like doing it right this moment. I'll try to get around to it in the next couple days, unless someone beats me to it. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and suggest a six month moratorium before the next RM. If what is said above is mainly true, then an RM in six months will succeed with little if any opposition, but it may not and that would also tell us something. Meantime we all have better things to do. See also Andrew's Principle. Andrewa (talk) 09:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Hey @Skarmory, Thank you for the idea. I have compiled the data for the last year of the same Newspaper of record used in 2022 RM. I have used the suggestion given by @Suriname0 to find these results. (site:latimes.com bengaluru after:2023-10-31 & site:latimes.com bangalore after:2023-10-31). Below are the results:
Newspaper Bangalore Bengaluru
The Age 37 43
The Daily Star 53 365
The Phnom Penh Post 0 0
The Globe and Mail 65 70
South China Morning Post 66 133
The Hindu 12,900 1,31,000
The Irish Times 7 6
Haaretz 0 0
The Gleaner 152 29
Daily Nation 0 2
New Straits Times 6 83
Dawn 40 60
Manila Bulletin 1 2
The Straits Times 35 196
The Daily Telegraph 64 70
Los Angeles Times 4 5

Apart from The Gleaner and The Irish Times all other newspapers are using Bengaluru as common name. The reason I believe Gleaner is still using the last name is because of reporting of the IPL the team Royal Challengers Bangalore, who changed their name to Bengaluru only in 2024.[1] Mantharatalk 11:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some others to add, from (mostly international) news sources mentioned during this discussion:
Newspaper Bangalore Bengaluru
The New York Times 60 76
The Guardian 85 153
Reuters 731 18,200
Associated Press 10 153
Hindustan Times 10,600 247,000
BBC 191 253
Not really sure why a couple of these have such extreme numbers (they might be discardable), but there's a clear trend here regardless. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It makes sense for Hindustan Times to have such extreme numbers as it is an Indian outlet and covers the news from the city. Not sure about Reuters. Mantharatalk 05:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to ultimately Support given the news article evidence. Overall, I think I see enough evidence to say the needle for the common name has ticked over to Bengaluru, and I think with everything else also fairly even, WP:NAMECHANGES also supports the move. Maybe some evidence could be stronger, but it's enough for me to give my support. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Somewhat regretfully. I do see sources trending towards the new spelling, however ngrams still far prefer Bangalore[6], though they are narrowing up in recent years. Combined with the Google Trends evidence provided above, and the fact that news results return 1.28 million results for Bangalore and only 145,000 for Bengaluru, I personally don't believe that WP:COMMONNAME is satisfied. - estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ngram data is 2 years old, there is some mess up in the Google Trends data as pointed out by @Skarmory. The search term Bengaluru and city name Bengaluru gives very different results. [7] Mantharatalk 14:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Oppose Did not Vote
@Manthara, @TryKid, @RegentsPark, @Zoglophie, @Suriname0, @Paintspot, @AusLondonder, @Vijethnbharadwaj, @RationalIndia, @Jayanthkumar123, @Skarmory, @Blindlynx @Vestrian24Bio, @LindsayH, @Ckfasdf, @BarrelProof, @Old Naval Rooftops, @Orientls, @BilCat, @Ratnahastin, @Necrothesp, @Celia Homeford, @Andrewa, @Estar8806 @CX Zoom, @BilledMammal,
12 12 2

Mantharatalk 12:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that move requests are not a vote. O.N.R. (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know it has been pointed out before and ignored, but i feel the need to mention the bludgeoning going on in this discussion. Since it was opened, the revision history shows that one editor has made 31 out of 95 edits, that's just about a third, and probably more than necessary. Over the years, i have noticed that people who bludgeon tend to have two motives: They have an issue with consensus (i.e., they don't believe in it or believe it is against them) or they fear/feel their evidence is weak and needs bolstering by repetition. I have no idea if either of these is true this time; i will note, however, that the best response to a suggestion that you are bludgeoning is to be silent and prove the suggestion-maker wrong. That didn't happen the previous time it was brought up, but i strongly suggest that this discussion be allowed to end without any further heavy-handed comments ~ LindsayHello 13:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's only 25 people in discussion as of now (including the nom), but there are 26 people listed in this table. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I counted again, it's 26! Mantharatalk 15:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then why does the section header says otherwise,
Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 18:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because apparently I had forgotten to add timestamp to my comment (3 tildes instead of 4). Fixed now. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 19:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relisting as discussion is still very active, but reminder that RM discussions are not a WP:VOTE and WP:AT are determined based on reliable source usage. Please add new comments below. Raladic (talk) 16:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per Estar8806, if there is disagreement over which name is more popular then it is better to stick with the status quo. Sahaib (talk) 12:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support based on usage in reliable sources. It is evident that an overwhelming majority of national/international news outlets now refer to the city as Bengaluru. Plain Google Trends data can always be skewed and doesn't tell us anything useful; Google Trends shows that Saigon is more commonly searched than Ho Chi Minh City, but the Wikipedia page is at Ho Chi Minh City. The arguments opposing the move based on the number of previously failed RMs are unconvincing because what the common name was during the 2008 or 2017 discussions is irrelevant here. Usage in reliable sources appears to have flipped in the last couple of years, so this RM (and any future RM) needs to be considered on its own merit. Yuvaank (talk) 10:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notifications

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@Jayanthkumar123, RegentsPark, SilverLocust, Ortizesp, Arjayay, DieOuTransvaal, AusLondonder, BarrelProof, Necrothesp, Celia Homeford, DankJae, CX Zoom, Skarmory, BilCat, In ictu oculi, Old Naval Rooftops, Red Slash, Qwv, Vijethnbharadwaj, Ckfasdf, and Estar8806: Notify editors from the last couple of RM's. BilledMammal (talk) 12:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "'Bangalore' becomes 'Bengaluru' as RCB announce change in team name", 2024-04-19
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